Placing on a fairway

[crazyc]

Supersport ran an insert on correct placing this week which came across confusingly..i need to understand something..i have always believed that on a fairway where placing is allowed one puts a peg or pich repairer down behind the ball lift and clean and replace..take your stance if not happy can move the ball as many times as you want until you are happy..only then take your marker out of the ground, now the ball is in play...supersport came across saying the second your hand leaves the ball after placing it is in play regardless of the fact that the marker is still in the ground ..in so saying one only has one go at placing the ball and then tough luck...What say you golfing guru's..............

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the rule is different in Europe and the States. in Europe you can move it around untill you remove your marker, in the States once your hand leaves the ball its in play.



i think.........
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In Europe (well, Kaasland) placing in the fairway is never allowed, unless its abnormal conditions like heavy rains. And in such conditions, scores cannot be submitted for hcp purposes. Course is declared 'non-qualifying' and you can basically see the day as a practice round. Of course, different if you're a pro and its a tournament!

Local SA rules often state placing within one club length.

[GT]

you only get one go at placing.

Any more fiddling about will be "moving a ball at rest"

peg in the ground means nothing
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is that a new rule? i pretty sure under European tour rules you can place it more than once as long as your marker remains.....but i won't bet on it.
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f.ck you!


we, SA play under the R&A rules not the USGA rules, ex we are alloweds to remove stones from a bunker, our US friends are not. there are differences, i think the placing rule differs as well.
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[GT]

Read it and weep muddafluffer


Remember "winter rules" comes down to a local rule as the overriding feature of the rules of golf is to play the ball as it lies.

SA has a culture of preferred lies that should be cancelled by SAGA.


“A ball lying on a closely-mown area through the green (or specify a
more restricted area, e.g. at the 6th hole) may be lifted, without penalty,
and cleaned. Before lifting the ball, the player must mark its position.
Having lifted the ball, he must place it on a spot within (specify area, e.g.
132 Appendix I
Appendix I 133
six inches, one club-length, etc.) of and not nearer the hole than where
it originally lay, that is not in a hazard and not on a putting green.
A player may place his ball only once, and it is in play when it has been
placed (Rule 20-4). If the ball fails to come to rest on the spot on
which it is placed, Rule 20-3d applies. If the ball when placed comes to
rest on the spot on which it is placed and it subsequently moves, there
is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies, unless the
provisions of any other Rule apply.
If the player fails to mark the position of the ball before lifting it or
moves the ball in any other manner, such as rolling it with a club, he
incurs a penalty of one stroke.
Note: “Closely-mown area” means any area of the course, including
paths through the rough, cut to fairway height or less.
*PENALTY FOR BREACH OF LOCAL RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
*If a player incurs the general penalty for a breach of this Local Rule,
no additional penalty under the Local Rule is applied.”
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[Andy]

GT what you have quoted is a specimen local rule. Clubs are can phrase the local rule differently. It depends on the specific wording.

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i've googled too, saw that as well, it means nothing.

i also found the piece about the placing during the RC at the KClub, where they say, a player is only allowed to place his ball once, if that was the golf rule in general why would they say "only once" and not just refer to the general golf rule?

like i said i'm not sure, but i think there are subtle differences between the R&A and the USGA rules regarding placing.
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[Andy]

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[kragapie]

[Andy]

GT sure it is in play but who says you can’t mark and place again as on a putting green? You shouldn’t be able to but local rule should specify this.

If the ball moves due to wind etc, even if marked, you must obviously play it from new spot but that does not stop you from marking and placing again (at the new spot) on the putting green. To avoid this as far as “preferred lies” placing is concerned the local rule should say so.